If my mother were alive today she would likely ask “Why O why did you choose to co-lead a church men’s retreat on the subject of lust?” And I would have to admit “Well, mom, it probably had something to do with having sat down at a table comprised of six rather attractive women in their thirties at a wedding reception in San Diego three years ago. It was the only available seat in the hall, honest. We chatted for about ten minutes when I decided to interrupt the inane prattle that often permeate receptions with a blunt question. ‘What are you watching on TV these days?’”
The stark inquiry was met with silence for a minute or so. I heard one dinner partner whisper to another “Do we have to tell him. My God, he’s a preacher!” They remained quiet so I asked “Do you watch ‘Sex in the City?’ Finally an answer came from one who turned out to be a new mother. “Nah, it doesn’t do it for me.” More silence.
“Then what do you watch?”
“Alright, I’ll tell you” the new mommy sputtered “most of us watch ‘Desperate Housewives’ and ‘Gray’s Anatomy.’”
“Why?”
“Well, for me ‘Desperate Housewives” touches on the kind of stuff I wrestle with almost daily; raising kids, housekeeping, outside jobs, love, anger and rage.”
“Does it allude to anything else that is helpful?”
“Well, if you must know, yes, it gets at pure lust.”
There were several nods to the affirmative on that note.
“Well,” I badgered one more time, “what does “Gray’s Anatomy” do for you all?”
A young woman on the far end of the table smiled and admitted “It deals with more lust!”
A dinner partner seated next to me quipped “Are going to report us?”
“OK, I want the names of your pastors and priests and I want them now!” Some nervous laughter ensued.
That evening I visited a widow in her mid-80s, a member of my former church. After some catching up on church news I thought, what the heck, and asked “What are you watching on TV these days?”
She blushed, changed the subject and continued to talk church. I pressed again “What about your TV watching?”
She was reluctant to let it out. Finally she dropped her head and confessed. I watch ‘Gray’s Anatomy,’ ‘Desperate Housewives,’ ‘Two-and-a-Half Men’ and not much else.”
I just had to ask “Why?”
She grinned and half-jokingly replied “None of your business, Pastor.”
It turned out she agreed with most of the perceptions of the six young women whom I had pestered that afternoon.
I’ve always assumed women talk to each other about what they might watch and read, and why. But men, well I don’t ever recall guys getting together to discuss urges such as anger, fear and lust. OK, maybe ire and dread but not the latter instinct. Then I thought, why not. What would it be like to bring together some testosterone-generating types to at least consider the subject? Right off, I imagined someone else leading the discussion. I also assumed there would be some soul-baring in the process.
Why has lust remained an unmentionable topic for discussion within congregations? Is it too unmanageable, too misunderstood, too explosive, too scary, too dangerous to pursue? Is it because our religious leaders are not trained to tackle such matters? Are clergy or lay leaders incapable of comprehending fully or partially their own erotic drives? I ran the idea by a few men who’ve been a part the men’s retreat I’ve co-led over the past three years and they approved of the idea.
The courageous pastor/co-leader, Dr. Dave Summers, had this to say about the retreat experience “I was hoping we could create a safe place for conversation on a topic that is virtually never broached in church. I think most were taking tentative steps in our conversation, trying to step into a place of honesty but with caution, modesty and undoubtedly some trepidation. We had a few brave souls who shared their rites of passage, but along with their courage seemed to need an immense dose of grace and forgiveness for moments of sexual exploration gone awry.
“I’m certain we scratched the surface of the proverbial iceberg but I have only picked up positive comments from those who attended the retreat.” Dave felt we gave them “a measure of honesty, possibility and acceptance that is rarely known in the church on this subject. The sociologist in me wishes we had done an anonymous survey at some time about their secrets. We would find much, I’m sure! Still reveling in the great weekend!”
I doubt if I would have led such a retreat on my own. The pastor has not only backed me on the retreats in which I dealt with primal feelings on unconditional love and rage but he urged participants to dig into some of the most erotic material in the scriptures on this theme. Some blushed while reading from the Song of Solomon. It was great grist for the mill.
I don’t recall preparing a sermon or presentation that caused me to fear someone might stand up to tell me to sit down as I did on this assignment. While composing the lectures for the event I came across a quote by Ralph Keyes that helped me stay the course. He maintains that “Writers choose the most dangerous path of all: the one that leads inward, into the unmapped caverns of their secret selves. How daring can you get? ‘I love all men who dive!’’ said Melville…” (The Writer’s Book of Hope).
I felt a little more daring than dumb and that also helped a great deal.
Young people have had their libidos heightened big time in our culture through bombardments of erotic images and scenes portrayed in advertising, television, novels and films. As far as I know faith communities have not stepped up to address honestly and directly the lust drives of members of any age.
A middle-aged church member, Jim Jeffries, who served for years as a counselor for the youth programs in his church and taught literature in a high school had this to say about the subject. “This is an issue for us all, and despite having ramifications for us all till we meet our maker, has for the most part been placed into the hands of children’s ministries and youth programs to guide young church members as they explore sexuality. How effective those programs are, is hard to measure. However, it seems from my perspective, that those early ‘gropings’ were the end of any ‘help’ with the changing nature of our sexuality. This sort of “sexual laissez faire” attitude is the norm since the subject requires much wisdom and courage to teach in our churches that inhabit a world of absolutes and simplistic thinking.
Jim goes on to suggest “The church leaves us to our own life-long groping or using WWJD bracelets for a reminder of something, as we try to figure sexuality out at different times in our lives. Maybe the church should leave us on our own and only seems to leave us on our own; but the reality, I am sure, is that the church is very much involved in helping members through private counseling that discusses sexuality. Nevertheless, I wonder could some of those ‘messy’ consequences of ignorance about sexuality have been dealt with in a more proactive way through the church community? I think so.”
A friend and colleague, Rev. Hobart Hildyard, had this to say about the lack of involvement with the issue. He wrote “The subject is known intimately to every one of us, but never expressed. It has nuances for each individual. It begins in childhood, and continues all the way to residency in dementia care units. I observed the sexual tension among residents at a nursing home where my spouse had been residing. We talked about it in our Alzheimer’s support group, but of course never about our own.”
How difficult can it be to wrestle candidly with our own personal sexual desires in a church setting? Well, we tried our best at the men’s retreat to deal frankly with the subject of lust but it was not easy to divulge our own feelings regarding our sexual urges. I guess we could have attempted to get a show of hands on who is watching pornography, or who is having trouble restraining themselves in the lust department. We didn’t ask for flat-out admissions from the participants or the pastors. The small group dialogue, which was focused on sentiments that most of us had never volunteered to even discuss up until those moments, was cautiously and carefully couched in the third-person mode. That’s about as daring as it got but it was a big step for many of the members. A few men managed to open up one-on-one with participants outside the meetings.
How do we assess the positive side of lust or stimulation or arousal? We can start by recognizing it’s an innate drive that leads us to coitus and procreation. We can’t call that bad but it has been considered by many religious orders all-out wrong and dangerous outside wedlock.
What about fantasies and dreams apart from observing lewd pictures? Are those natural urges that need to be suppressed or appreciated? What if it is necessary for middle-aged and elderly men to imagine or view lewd scenarios to be stimulated to the point of needing or wanting to have sex with their spouses or partners? What if it’s a way to reenergize or jump-start hormonal systems?
Is mild lust permissible or should we repress those feelings? For example, what about viewing women’s volleyball? Is that an inappropriate pastime for guys? Can we view such alluring images and remain a proper member of a congregation?
I’ve felt compelled to watch bikini-clad, lotion-soaked volley-ballers who play on Venice beaches given I attended Venice High School. I stay loyal to my hometown games. And it seems only fitting to watch such televised U.S. games in my wife’s home town in Norway. I figured it was an international event that brought world citizens together. OK, I’m scrambling now to rationalize why I may overdose on one-gender volleyball games.
Where and when do guys cross the line on such scenic activity? Is it when we fantasize having sex with one of those beauties? When we feel aroused? When we compare them to our spouses? When we focus too intensely? When we realize we’ve watched a dozen games in one sitting? When we become addicted to the point of not remembering we have a lover in our midst? And do we devalue those whom we watch by objectifying them. If we do get aroused do we admit it to others? Well, it depends on whom? Do we reveal it to a loved one, therapist, pastor, our parents, our pals?
I sent out the Volleyball scenario to several colleagues to get their responses for our theme. One recipient in his mid-to-late 80s called and left a message thanking me for the material. I called the next day and his wife answered the phone. I figured he was the only one in the house receiving my drafts. She said, “I read your volleyball account;” When she paused I panicked. Then she stated that it reminded her of a book she read in which the author tells about the time he was sitting on a beach with his wife when a beautiful woman in a tiny bikini walked close by. The author claimed the arousal he experienced got focused on his spouse. My friend’s wife then asked if I thought that might happen more than we know. I was too stunned by her frank recollection to think straight. I just muttered “I’m not sure.”
Is lust primarily meant for moving mortals toward procreation? Is it a human instinct designed to ready beings for coitus and not a source of emotion meant for other purposes? And if so, how have we managed to overcome or get around that innate urge? Not well.